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Simultaneity - Albert Einstein and the Theory of Relativity

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Imagine two observers, one seated in the center of a speeding train car, and another standing on the platform as the train races by. As the center of the car passes the observer on the platform, he sees two bolts of lightning strike the car - one on the front, and one on the rear. The flashes of light from each strike reach him at the same time, so he concludes that the bolts were simultaneous, since he knows that the light from both strikes traveled the same distance at the same speed, the speed of light. He also predicts that his friend on the train will notice the front strike before the rear strike, because from her perspective on the platform the train is moving to meet the flash from the front, and moving away from the flash from the rear.
But what does the passenger see? As her friend on the platform predicted, the passenger does notice the flash from the front before the flash from the rear. But her conclusion is very different. As Einstein showed, the speed of the flashes as measured in the reference frame of the train must also
be the speed of light. So, because each light pulse travels the same distance from each end of the train to the passenger, and because both pulses must move at the same speed, he can only conclude one thing: if he sees the front strike first, it actually happened first. Whose interpretation is cor
rect - the observer on the platform, who claims that the strikes happened simultaneously, or the observer on the train, who claims that the front strike happened before the rear strike? Einstein tells us that both are correct, within their own frame of reference. This is a fundamental result of spec
ial relativity: From different reference frames, there can never be agreement on the simultaneity of events.

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nice bro.....the ... ( 2 weeks ago by studyboy2007)
nice bro.....the women was ahead of the guy in right? she was ahead in time?
Why are you going ... ( 2 weeks ago by urlordsam)
Why are you going so far in this, why dont you imagine that you are in the gym on the running mat, you should run at the same speed its rolling so as a matter of conclusion when you stop the machine you are still in the gym :)
it is actually not ... ( 2 weeks ago by BenRut87)
it is actually not hard to prove at all. very simple algebra necessary
its a woman, what ... ( 2 weeks ago by Triple88a)
its a woman, what do you expect? :) Its simple actually. Imagine you're on a boat going 100mph forward, one tsunami forms 200 miles ahead of you, one tsunami forms 200 miles behind of you (both waves going towards you at same speed). Since you are going 100 mph forward into the tsunami ahead of you, you will reach it first while the tsunami behind you will have to catch up to you. This is the same thing, just using light speed which makes it harder to understand.
I think the maker ... ( 2 weeks ago by 9ior77)
I think the maker of this video did not understand the theory too well. Now....If the train is moving at near the speed of light (lets say 80%) then the passenger would see the front lighting firs as it would travel towards her 180% the speed of light and the rear would follow traveling only 20% the speed of light. For the observer on the platform the both lightnings will reach him the same time at 100% the speed of light. And yes, in such case....both observers are correct!!!
there is no 180% ... ( 1 week ago by techrulz)
there is no 180% speed of light.. not even 100% infact
It's not the same ... ( 1 week ago by AlienWebguy)
It's not the same because you're comparing mechanical physics to electromagnetic physics, omitting a second frame of reference, and using a variable speed (tidal wave or wind speed) to a constant speed C (light).
Perfectly explained ... ( 1 week ago by AlienWebguy)
Perfectly explained. A+
Special relativity? ... ( 1 week ago by okano186)
Special relativity? thats just common sense!
no no thats what i ... ( 1 week ago by Triple88a)
no no thats what i was saying, constant speed of everything (just not with the speed of light), it just easier to understand because when you get the speeds (and scales) to what you'd see them on planet earth people seem to understand better. Specifically on Einsteins theory, i dont believe he had this in mind, i just believe he was talking about relativity such as everything else moving around you. Get in a car, is the car moving is is the tree moving at 45mph?
I was trying to ... ( 1 week ago by 9ior77)
I was trying to explain that with a normal train going at lets say 200km/h there would be not noticeable difference to the passenger. But if the speed was closer to the light speed, then the difference would be very noticeable. As for the 180% speed of light...I should actually say "It would seem to be traveling at 180% the speed of light" as per Einsteins theory.
okay ... ( 1 week ago by lduro3)
okay waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!?
hmm i thought the ... ( 1 week ago by lilmacca182)
hmm i thought the speed of light is constant from all frames of reference, right?
then wouldnt it be that (from the observer in the train's point of view) the light from the front and back appear to travel towards her at equal velocities, and therefore reach her at the same time?
This is a stupid example to show the relativity of simultaneity, the thought experiment of the train with automatic doors is a better way of looking at it in my opinion...
how could the ... ( 1 week ago by ichiromo)
how could the lights reach her at the same time? if she's moving speeds comparable to the speed of light, and the speed of light is constant in all frames, then the light that strikes the front of the train reaches her first because she's moving towards it. i agree, though. this video isn't that great explaining relativity. i like spaceships much more.
hmm i would have ... ( 1 week ago by lilmacca182)
hmm i would have thought that it wouldnt matter whether your moving away from or towards a light source, the speed of the actual light relative to your position at any given time at any velocity would still be c, am i correct?
you have to ... ( 1 week ago by lilmacca182)
you have to remember that when your looking at a situation such as this, classical laws of physics dont apply (in this case, relative velocity)... it doesn't matter what direction the light is travelling, it always travels at c with respect to you
anyway, thats how i see it
No object with any ... ( 6 days ago by humberto1731)
No object with any amount of mass can move faster or equal to speed of light and the light has always the same speed at any frame of reference.Both lights strike at the same time for the observer on earth and the observer on the train.What is different is that the lights get to the eyes of the woman one by one and get to the eyes of the man simultaneously. Thats how I see it.
*This is true ... ( 6 days ago by haider87)
*This is true within our known universe. Since our universe is expanding at an accelerating rate, then the expansion of our universe and our known space is occuring faster than the speed of light. But that does not fall as being within our universe. So you statement is true, only with an asterisk.
err, even if light ... ( 4 days ago by RamblingsOfGarDyual)
err, even if light is moving faster than the train it still has to catch up with the train first before it can be observed..so if the train were moving just under the speed of light the light couldnt catch up with it immediately, where as the light traveling towards the train from the direction the train is moving would obviously reach the train first.
what i dont ... ( 4 days ago by RamblingsOfGarDyual)
what i dont understand is how is it true that the lighting struck at two different times just because you see the light in the front first? I mean, what is true is that the light in the front reached you before the light in the back, that does not make it true that the lightning in the front hit first.. obviously there are variables involved in the way you observe things..sometimes the sky isnt blue, one person may see it as yellow, one red.. but there are reasons for that that lead to 1 truth.
because the train ... ( 4 days ago by Atiiy)
because the train is movin forwad from the flish from the back..And the flish from the front is movin to her...
how can flish move ... ( 4 days ago by crateos)
how can flish move in air? I thought they swim in the slea. Ok slorry :) I didn't understand this video
Let's say that ... ( 3 days ago by PoindexterBob)
Let's say that instead of one person on the train, there are three: one at the rear, one in the middle, and one in the front. The one at the rear, then, will say the lightning hit the rear first and the front hit second. The person in the middle will say the lightning hit the front first. The person at the front will obviously say the lightning hit the front hit first. So we have one vote for the rear first, and two for the front first. Are we supposed to settle the conflict by majority rules?
That was deep. LOL ( 2 days ago by 31Orcas)
That was deep. LOL



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