Why is it that we must assume that there is a conscious behind the universe? If your argument applies, then what created the hand that moved the universe into existence, because surely there must have been a creator who created the creator and so on.
I'm not sure who or ...( 1 month ago by 187Sozum)
I'm not sure who or what made the universe but life is far too complex to come about by chance alone. The brain can process 480 billion bit's of data which is just insane! The singularity is also another impossible action. Even walking thru a room should be impossible because you have to move an infinite number of half way point's to reach the half way point of the room, yet we can precieve our self walking thru a room. There are just too many paradox to life for it to be chance that created it.
a computer is ...( 1 month ago by molewizard)
a computer is incredibly complicated, and can do maths far more effectively than humans - but that doesn't mean it can't come from one. Just because something is complex, doesn't mean it has to come from something MORE complex. In fact, nature tends to work the other way around.
Yeah but if that ...( 1 month ago by 187Sozum)
Yeah but if that computer break's down you can get another one that does the same shit. Same with the body, try studying quantum physics and electro dynamics some time. And better yet newton thoery of thermal dynamics. Fact 1 space is an illusion so how can I die in an illusion? Fact 2 energy is never lost or destroyed but converted from one form to the next. I can't believe there are people like you who claim to use science to disprove god when the facts speak alittle differently.
Even einstein and ...( 1 month ago by 187Sozum)
Even einstein and max planck believed in god. Yeah that's right two science professors, because they knew the math must of been worked out at the moment of the big bang meaning something must of set it in moution. So guess what, it wasnt some fucking cosmic lottery that put us here. It was fate and if you cant remove a smaller piece of the picture without changeing the whole thing than were a fundamental part of the universe it's self.
Fact 1: you don't ...( 1 month ago by molewizard)
Fact 1: you don't know what you're talking about.
Fact 2: I was rebuking your point - did you rebuke mine? Oh, oh... No! Well done buddy.
Fact 3: I study quantum mechanics, and you obviously don't understand it.
Now, the illusion part - Besides the fact you are spewing bullshit, if it was an illusion then your death would be an illusion.
And if energy is never lost or destroyed, then how did God create it in the first place?
Einstein did not ...( 1 month ago by molewizard)
Einstein did not believe in God. He was born a Jew, but later rejected the religion.
he often referred to the beauty of nature as being God, but if you knew the context you would realise he meant full well that when he looked at reality, he saw it as amazing, and said that no god was needed.
Einstein was incredibly smart, but certainly no philosopher.
Max plank on the other hand was born to devoted theologians. His religious viewpoints are therefore of little consequence.
"Fact 1: you don't ...( 1 month ago by 187Sozum)
"Fact 1: you don't know what you're talking about."
Ever hear of quantum entanglement? There is no space as you see it because it's all still bound in that singularity. On one side you have infinite matter so on the other side there must be a region of infinite time dialation that we know as space but it's all still just being barrowed from the sin gularity. Which means we don't exist so how can we die?
" if it was an ...( 1 month ago by 187Sozum)
" if it was an illusion then your death would be an illusion.
And if energy is never lost or destroyed, then how did God create it in the first place?"
Who knows, but were here now clearly by desien. The big bang it's self was over 1 trillion degrees so by the lotto logic nothing should be living to this day, so the universe it's self must be a living entity or there would be no life in it.
"Fact 2: I was ...( 1 month ago by 187Sozum)
"Fact 2: I was rebuking your point - did you rebuke mine? Oh, oh... No! Well done buddy."
BTW you didn't rebuke anything, more like you missed my point completely. Your right evolution works in acending order but the creations of a being will not exceed it's mental capacity. Case in point my brain can render infinite reality my ps3 can not nor can any super computer.
"Who knows"
Case in ...( 1 month ago by molewizard)
"Who knows"
Case in point.
It's impossible.
Excuse me? There ...( 1 month ago by molewizard)
Excuse me? There was no life at the big bang. Life occurs as a result of cumulative chemical reactions - a trillion degrees would not wipe out all chemical reastions from the universe.
What a ridiculous statement...
Square 2,345,897.
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Square 2,345,897.
Yes, actually, things CAN be more complex than their creator.
Think of it this way. One day, we may be able to map the neurones of a brain to a computer; What happens when you add more neurons? Is that not more complex?
Or perhaps you design a skyscraper. There are a fair few more Atoms in that than in us, so is it not more complicated?
Everything in the universe gets more and more complex the majority of the time.
If you don't ...( 1 month ago by molewizard)
If you don't understand that death is just as much an illusion as life, from this point of view, there is no point talking to you about this.
I do not agree with this point of view, so presenting me with a(rather bad) paradox for it does not have any point.
Besides the fact that 'all reality being an illusion' is just a metaphor...
Array( 1 month ago by 187Sozum)
"Case in point.
It's impossible."
No what's impossible is for us to magicly evolve from a process without design. Those fundamental laws of physics had to be put in place by something, gravity and such.
"Excuse me? There was no life at the big bang. Life occurs as a result of cumulative chemical reactions"
In the beginning there was no chemestry, only protons neutrons and electrons which formed all the chemicles we have today, all forms of energy.
"One day, we may be ...( 1 month ago by 187Sozum)
"One day, we may be able to map the neurones of a brain to a computer; What happens when you add more neurons? Is that not more complex?
Or perhaps you design a skyscraper. There are a fair few more Atoms in that than in us, so is it not more complicated?"
No because we have to evolve mentally to understand the technology that maps the brain, in effect as we grow so does technology.
Gravity is a result ...( 1 month ago by molewizard)
Gravity is a result of quantum mechanics, not a law in itself. Everything is the result o a SINGLE starting point, using common, linear thinking.
A DESIGNER and INITIATOR are entirely different things.
"all forms of energy."
No, chemicals are not the only form of energy.
Excuse me? No ...( 1 month ago by molewizard)
Excuse me? No change is taking place in our mental capacity, so at no time are we evolving. We are simply LEARNING more.
It is entirely possible to create something more complec than yourself. It's evident all across nature, hence the fibinachi series.
"Everything is the ...( 1 month ago by 187Sozum)
"Everything is the result o a SINGLE starting point, using common, linear thinking.
A DESIGNER and INITIATOR are entirely different things.
"all forms of energy."
No, chemicals are not the only form of energy."
This really is my main point, if everything started from a single point than nothing is linear because that would be a paradox in it's self.
"We are simply LEARNING more."
True but learning is evolution, every idea is born in the mind.
"Gravity is a ...( 1 month ago by 187Sozum)
"Gravity is a result of quantum mechanics, not a law in itself."
Gravity is the result of a slow wave bending the fabric of space/time it's self. Something had to put this effect in place or the rest would be impossible.
As hard as this may be to believe everything is still touching, I don't mean as metephor i'm saying literally everthing is cross intersecting as we speak but the singularity is still in moution so the illusion don't fold back into the single point it was born from.
I'm only sure of ...( 1 month ago by 187Sozum)
I'm only sure of quantum entanglement because I have seen it proven beyond doubt, so for me there is no choice, it was made for me. Ask quantum physist about the measurement problem, which shows electrons as being in multiple places at the same time until you measure them. Than they will act and behave based on how your measureing it. This is caused by the fact that one electron represents every electron in the universe, showing entanglement to be more than just a myth.
why do atheists ...( 1 month ago by EATPROTEINgetHUGeRus)
why do atheists care so much? my observation
I assume youre a ...( 4 weeks ago by bIoodypingu)
I assume youre a christian... Well if i were to start saying stuff about your religion that you didnt like, you would say something about it, right?
Pretty much the same thing with atheists. Christians makes videos about falsehoods of atheists, and atheists reply to them, usually.
Read into it as you ...( 3 weeks ago by EATPROTEINgetHUGeRus)
Ever hear of quantum entanglement? There is no space as you see it because it's all still bound in that singularity. On one side you have infinite matter so on the other side there must be a region of infinite time dialation that we know as space but it's all still just being barrowed from the sin
gularity. Which means we don't exist so how can we die?
And if energy is never lost or destroyed, then how did God create it in the first place?"
Who knows, but were here now clearly by desien. The big bang it's self was over 1 trillion degrees so by the lotto logic nothing should be living to this day, so the universe it's self must be a living entity or there would be no life in it.
BTW you didn't rebuke anything, more like you missed my point completely. Your right evolution works in acending order but the creations of a being will not exceed it's mental capacity. Case in point my brain can render infinite reality my ps3 can not nor can any super computer.
It's impossible."
No what's impossible is for us to magicly evolve from a process without design. Those fundamental laws of physics had to be put in place by something, gravity and such. "Excuse me? There was no life at the big bang. Life occurs as a result of cumulative chemical reactions" In the beginning there
was no chemestry, only protons neutrons and electrons which formed all the chemicles we have today, all forms of energy.
Or perhaps you design a skyscraper. There are a fair few more Atoms in that than in us, so is it not more complicated?"
No because we have to evolve mentally to understand the technology that maps the brain, in effect as we grow so does technology.
A DESIGNER and INITIATOR are entirely different things.
"all forms of energy."
No, chemicals are not the only form of energy."
This really is my main point, if everything started from a single point than nothing is linear because that would be a paradox in it's self. "We are simply LEARNING more." True but learning is evolution, every idea is born in the mind.
Gravity is the result of a slow wave bending the fabric of space/time it's self. Something had to put this effect in place or the rest would be impossible. As hard as this may be to believe everything is still touching, I don't mean as metephor i'm saying literally everthing is cross intersecting
as we speak but the singularity is still in moution so the illusion don't fold back into the single point it was born from.
Pretty much the same thing with atheists. Christians makes videos about falsehoods of atheists, and atheists reply to them, usually.