AH AH AH! all religions suck, but islam sucks the most! they're always so offended!
What the hell is da ...( 1 month ago by JakeMage)
What the hell is da prob with you mudafaka you dont have to talk abt sum elses releigon that it sucks u cant say anything if u don believe in it so stfu bitch
sabuinsane....u ...( 1 month ago by sebinjolo)
sabuinsane....u really are insane what does racism has to do with religion.....u bastard use the wrong word at the wrong place....does the qu'ran teaches u that.....look dude pray to Allah and i will pray to Jesus Christ, by the way he is the way the truth and the life, no one goes to the father but by him
see? this is ...( 1 month ago by feastguy101)
see? this is exactly what i was talking about! you're our bitches now, get used to it.
Why such a rasism ...( 4 weeks ago by radusavu2007)
Why such a rasism here? Every country has his culture and religion.Without christianism,"borned" in Israel what religions would Europe have? Even the most rich and civilized country-England-was paganistic(no god based religion) for a long time.
"If you don't know ...( 3 weeks ago by HaniSW10)
"If you don't know Arabic, please do not continue this conversation"
Most Muslims can't read Arabic.
Even 20%+ of Arab Muslims can't read Arabic.
This argument that "If u can't read Arabic.." is nonsense. The translators can!
"The Quran has remained the same..."
So what!? The guys in Al-Azhar still have trouble working out what it means! (And they CAN read Arabi c.
Well, try reading ...( 3 weeks ago by Vigesh)
Well, try reading it again, what I wrote means:
A correct translation can be made only in Arabic that doesn't mean that all the people who know arabic have correct interpretation. And for your second point: I feel translation of Quran is your view towards it, so if you rely on traslations by a third person you loose your heart for it, something like I feel Quran is a kind of mirror which shows your current status(you views and all) and also truth and you have to use that to make yourself good.
also Hani this ...( 3 weeks ago by Vigesh)
also Hani this doesn't mean that someone who doesn't know Arabic will never make himself a good man. I just mean that exact message of Quran is possible only if one knows arabic and it might be that even though you don't know arabic and even you have never read Quran you know the message. Its all my personal view, I can't authenticate it.
I c your points. ...( 3 weeks ago by HaniSW10)
I c your points. Well made.
However, this kind of exclusiveness makes it easy for a few to interpret for the many. How many Pakistanis are literate in Arabic? There are madrassas full of nodding kids who will kill themselves and anyone for the jihad, though they haven't got a clue what it's about. Better to read in Urdu (if they can; same script) and try to understand.
Einstein once said ...( 3 weeks ago by Vigesh)
Einstein once said for the concept of Feynmann diagrams: Things should be made easy but not easier. Muslims have to acquire knowledge wealth and culture that they have lost. One traslation is made and then other interpretation is made over that. You always drop water while carrying it from the lake to the mouth, go near the lake and drink it. Pakistanis: Bhai, I always mean litracy which indules knowing what the words mean, I will always advocate urdu knowledge over arabic pronunciation.
Understand your ...( 3 weeks ago by HaniSW10)
Understand your point very clearly. I'm still left with the feeling - born out of experience - that the linguistic exclusivity presents a convenient wall to hide behind. I've often heard the argument "This is not in the Quran!" etc. when it clearly is, and the meaning is crystal clear.
Re. Islam: Arabs tend to dive into a linguistic determinism wherein the terms are deemed acceptable. When translated, they aren't. Hence the need to obfuscate. I really think it's as simple as that.
"When translated ...( 3 weeks ago by Vigesh)
"When translated they aren't", so one simple question: Why muslims care for arabs when they should be caring for arabic language, why do we need them to attest our believes?
"why do we need ...( 3 weeks ago by HaniSW10)
"why do we need them to attest our believes?"
Well said! Extremely important issue u r raising. (And it's not a simple question!) Basically, you don't need them.
Islam is rooted in Arabic, which has given the Arabs control over doctrinal interpretation. This has been compounded by economic wealth in the last fifty years. If a non-Arab learns Arabic, no problem! Except I think the culturally specific aspects will b alien and viewed as allegorical (good!).
Array( 3 weeks ago by UmOmar)
Asalamalaykom,
The info supplied by the uploader, lookhearsee, states, "Saudi women, oppressed by their husbands..." and really the video does not have this as a main point. Mostly, the video talks of young girls, not married women. One woman, who is commenting after the video, states that some married women d o this as well, after their husbands have gone out with friends. However, no where does anyone state anything about husbands oppressing wives. That is lookhearsee's own slant.
You are mistaken, ...( 3 weeks ago by lookhearsee)
You are mistaken, or didn't watch the whole thing. At the very end it is the Saudi commentator who makes the claim, her words, not my slant. Additionally, I leeched this vid from memri, and copied their description.
#1439 - Saudi Women, Oppressed by Husbands, Turn to Stripping in Internet Chat Rooms in Search of "Admiration"
LBC TV (Lebanon) - June 18, 2007 - 00:03:59
these women arn't ...( 2 weeks ago by ChristianLove2008)
these women arn't Saudis. There are about 10 Million Forigners in Saudi Arabia, 1.5 Million Phillipinos, about 3 Million Indians/Pakistanis, 2 Million from Europe and America and South America, Millions from other Arab countries. Many of these girls come to Suadi Arabia and come from countries which don't follow Islam, and they don't know what to do not seeing boys, so this is what they do, they are NOT saudis
wht site is this ...( 2 weeks ago by chrisR94)
wht site is this some1 tell me
Compendium of ...( 2 weeks ago by stefanie825)
Compendium of Muslim Texts:
usc. edu/dept/MSA/
(please remove space before "edu")
QURAN IS A BOOK OUT OF CONTEXT
The apologists do not realize that what they say is apostasy!
Quran repeatedly claims to be a ...
"clear book" (5:15) "easy to understand" (44:58, 54:22, 54:32, 54:40) "explained in detail"? (6:114) "conveyed clearly", (5:16, 10:15) and with ...
... "NO DOUBT in it (2:2)
Claiming that Quran cannot be understood is not clear and needs is disbelieving in the Quran itself.
usc. edu/dept/MSA/ ...( 2 weeks ago by stefanie825)
usc. edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html#005.051
005.051
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
I appreciate your ...( 1 week ago by Vigesh)
I appreciate your attempt to understand it, can you read more and let us know few more points about the book.
if profit muhamad ...( 1 week ago by Democrat2345)
if profit muhamad was alive 2day he will convert 2 other religion when he will see islam misused by pan arab saudi and son of bitch salamaeh nemat and al hayat & vahabis-
these rasicst pan arab like salameh nemat ,al hayat r real criminal they helped saddam in raping 1000s small girls in Iran 1980,s & pan arab harambabies killed millios in iran in 1980,s &even terrorist israel helped them- Pan arab =real fascist, son of prostitute
OH WHO CARES, PRUDE ...( 1 week ago by greetingsearthlings1)
OH WHO CARES, PRUDE!!
Get a life. leave the poor girl to do what ever she wants. thats what you get when you make people cover in head to toe in ugly black clothes. YOU GO GIRL!!!!
this video is ...( 6 days ago by CommanderBomblastic)
this video is bullshit, i saw it and went into some chat rooms looking for saudi women to admire, but i didn't find a single whore. wtf if any saudi women want to take their clothes off i'll happily watch and compliment them, show me your boobs honey you are terrific
Most Muslims can't read Arabic. Even 20%+ of Arab Muslims can't read Arabic. This argument that "If u can't read Arabic.." is nonsense. The translators can! "The Quran has remained the same..." So what!? The guys in Al-Azhar still have trouble working out what it means! (And they CAN read Arabi
c.
However, this kind of exclusiveness makes it easy for a few to interpret for the many. How many Pakistanis are literate in Arabic? There are madrassas full of nodding kids who will kill themselves and anyone for the jihad, though they haven't got a clue what it's about. Better to read in Urdu (if they can; same script) and try to understand.
Re. Islam: Arabs tend to dive into a linguistic determinism wherein the terms are deemed acceptable. When translated, they aren't. Hence the need to obfuscate. I really think it's as simple as that.
Well said! Extremely important issue u r raising. (And it's not a simple question!) Basically, you don't need them. Islam is rooted in Arabic, which has given the Arabs control over doctrinal interpretation. This has been compounded by economic wealth in the last fifty years. If a non-Arab learns
Arabic, no problem! Except I think the culturally specific aspects will b alien and viewed as allegorical (good!).
The info supplied by the uploader, lookhearsee, states, "Saudi women, oppressed by their husbands..." and really the video does not have this as a main point. Mostly, the video talks of young girls, not married women. One woman, who is commenting after the video, states that some married women d
o this as well, after their husbands have gone out with friends. However, no where does anyone state anything about husbands oppressing wives. That is lookhearsee's own slant.
these rasicst pan arab like salameh nemat ,al hayat r real criminal they helped saddam in raping 1000s small girls in Iran 1980,s & pan arab harambabies killed millios in iran in 1980,s &even terrorist israel helped them- Pan arab =real fascist, son of prostitute
Get a life. leave the poor girl to do what ever she wants. thats what you get when you make people cover in head to toe in ugly black clothes. YOU GO GIRL!!!!