Mormon Position on Christianity

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Christian's are called to bring correction in love and fail at time to time. It is very easy to get caught up in the argument and forget what the goal of the discussion actually is at times and Christians are just as guilty of this as Mormons or any other religion for that mater.
However, lately the Mormon Church has begun a push on the internet and other sources to proclaim their 'Christianity'. They say they are Christian, however their own Holy Literature, Prophets and Apostles adamantly proclaimed Christianity of their day to be false and the Mormon religion the 'true
' Christianity... My question is why does the Mormon Church want to adopt the Title Christian while the opinion of their literature is hostile toward it? If Mormon's profess that we worship the same Jesus, then why are we not both Christian? There has a been a marketing switch as of late. Mu
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I'm sorry to say ... ( 4 months ago by telemantros)

I'm sorry to say they did Scotts: "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom."- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, 10:127 "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon...'" Apostle Orson Pratt proclaimed, The Seer, p. 255 There are many more.

I disagree with ... ( 4 months ago by ScottsdaleStylee)

I disagree with your conclusions, however you are missing the point.
I said that I believe it is inherently un-Christian to allge that another is not Chrisitan. The scriptures you cite do not justify calling someone "un-Christian" and passing judgment. In fact, the Bible teaches that you should judge others. (See, John 8:7) Further it counsels to avoid attacking
anothers beliefs, "lest ye be found even to fight against God." (See Acts 5, cited earlier).

Correction can ... ( 4 months ago by telemantros)

Correction can sometimes be seen as an attack and that's what this is, correction. Anyone can claim to be something, I can claim to be a Muslim ... yet if my life does not meet the definition of what a Muslim is then I can say that i'm a muslim all I want, it's not true.

I think you missed ... ( 4 months ago by ScottsdaleStylee)

I think you missed the logic telemantros. Let me simplify it:
If you are Christian you do not judge others.
If you judge others you are not Christian.
It is one thing to disagree with another Church's doctrine. It is a totally different thing to judge the members of that Church and call them 'not-Christian.' You cross the line when you go from disagreeing with doctrine to judging those who believe that doctrine. Please let me know if that does
not make sense.

"If you are ... ( 4 months ago by telemantros)

"If you are Christian you do not judge others" vs. 1 Cor. 5:12 There is a difference between having different denominational beliefs about Christ and missing the Christ of the Bible all together. Let me ask you this question, are Jehovah Witnesses a denomination of Christianity? Why or why not?

1 Cor. 5:12 does ... ( 4 months ago by ScottsdaleStylee)

1 Cor. 5:12 does not justify your judgment and criticism of others. You may judge for yourself between good and evil (Moroni 7:16); however, it is God that will judge us all, not man. (See, Romans 2:16; 14:10 and Mosiah 29:11-13)
Do JW's believe in and worship Jesus Christ? They claim that they do, therefore they are Christian. It is not my place to judge them and I would hope that you would not do the same.

1 Cor. 5:12 states ... ( 4 months ago by telemantros)

1 Cor. 5:12 states very pointedly that we can 'judge' or bring correction to members inside the Church body. This is but an illustration of how believers are called to bring correction to those who do not have the truth (1 Tim. 4:16; 2 Tim. 4:2; 1 Peter 3:15-16). By your logic, if I claim to be a Muslim and yet do not adhere to Qu'ran teaching I'm still a Muslim. The JW's are not Christian, they do not believe Christ to be God. Is that simply a denominational disagreement? I would argue no.

Neither of those ... ( 4 months ago by HiveRadical)

Neither of those quotes, Telemantros, have them saying that they are not Christian, it's not saying they profess a different Christ. Simply that they do not live in accordance with their claims.

Did the designation ... ( 4 months ago by HiveRadical)

Did the designation as a 'Jew' make early Christians less Christian?

Tely -- You can not ... ( 4 months ago by ScottsdaleStylee)

Tely -- You can not justify your judgment of others through the Bible. None of the scriptures you cite, justify such judgment.
Further, what is "the Church body" that you refer to? Do you believe ther is one true Church, as taught in the Bible? If so, what do you believe is the true Church?

I find it ... ( 4 months ago by ScottsdaleStylee)

I find it unbeleivable that anyone who professes to believe in and worship Jesus Christ, can in the same breath contradict all that he taught and judge another. "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone..." Are you without sin?

Great point! ( 4 months ago by ScottsdaleStylee)

Great point!

No, I'm a sinner. ... ( 3 months ago by telemantros)

No, I'm a sinner. The communication breakdown we are having is with the word 'judge'. You take it to mean that I pass judgment on, what I mean is that I can bring biblical correction to falsities in their life. You can say the scriptures above do not say what they do say till your blue in the face, it does not make your interpretation right. The Church Body is the body of Christ (1 Cor. 12:12). Those who believe in Jesus Christ and his true nature as revealed in the Bible are saved.

No it did not and ... ( 3 months ago by telemantros)

No it did not and thank God because that would have allowed favoritism and a system of 'class'. However you bring up an interesting point. The Christian Jews were often at odds with the gentile Christians to the point were they fell out of line of the true gospel and needed correction (Gal. 2:11-14). An additional title does not remove or add Christianity. The belief set and loyalty to Christ makes a person Christian. I'm a gentile, that doesn't make me less Christian either. Peace.

The quotes in the ... ( 3 months ago by telemantros)

The quotes in the video indeed say that Christianity is not Christian as did Joseph Smith: "My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right
— and which I should join...

...I was answered ... ( 3 months ago by telemantros)

...I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong, and the personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight: that those professors were all corrupt . . ." (Joseph Smith, "History of the Church, Vol. 1, page 5-6.)

Saying that their ... ( 3 months ago by HiveRadical)

Saying that their creeds are abominations and that they are wrong and all corrupt is not denying their claims to be Christians. Christ had the original faith given to the Jews, he taught that the Pharisees had corrupted and become an abomination of The original faith of the Jews, but he didn't deny their status as Jews. He didn't claim that they worshiped a different God, rather he

claimed that they'd ... ( 3 months ago by HiveRadical)

claimed that they'd distorted, via their traditions, the original faith. Saying you have a creed that's an abomination and that all your professors are corrupt is not a negation that the overall theme of what you claim to worship is incorrect.

The difference is ... ( 3 months ago by telemantros)

The difference is that those mentioned leaders, the majority anyway, passionately rejected Christ and therefore were not Christian. Jews today are not Christian, they are Jewish they do not honor Christ who is the only way to get to heaven. Peace to you.

But was not the ... ( 3 months ago by HiveRadical)

But was not the original Jewish religion the same faith that Christ had and gave? Was not the same God worshiped by Moses as by Christ? How could they reject Christ and not reject the God of Israel? And if they rejected the God of Israel, if their acts were abominable in comparison to the faith of Moses then should we no longer call them adherents to the faith of Moses? Or can they still claim Moses even if they have changed, by their traditions, the original faith given by Moses?

Jesus was promised ... ( 3 months ago by telemantros)

Jesus was promised during and even before Moses time (1 Peter 1:20) and some Jews missed him (John 5:39-40). Jesus is a stumbling block to the Jews (1 Cor. 1:23) and the Bible says this about people who reject Christ as the Son of God(1 John 5:10-12).

Awesome! I'm ... ( 1 month ago by anonazero)

Awesome! I'm posting this up. Thanks!

I think the LDS ... ( 1 week ago by PolishAbinadi)

I think the LDS Church did change it's position about other Christian churches once the Protestant preachers and members stopped murdering the Mormons and raping their wives and daughters. The protestants in the US changed so the LDS Church stopped separating itself from them. Remember - the protestants were persecuting the Mormons (just as the apostate Jews persecuted early Christians) before LDS leaders started calling them Babylon, etc.

Yes, that is true. ... ( 1 week ago by AxelRun)

Yes, that is true. In our times prophets speak in a different way about other christians, because they have changed.

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