Just like you said ...( 6 months ago by MirroringTruth)
Just like you said above..."both believe God is our Creator". I said I realized that wasn't the debate, but you said it again in your post to me, and Allah isn't my creator, nor does he share the traits and actions of my God. Shabir no more believes in the same God as Christians, then we in the Isa they have. The intentions may have been different. What you said, however, is what you said. Personally, I never give them that satisfaction saying "We both". There is no "we" concerning Islam. Ever.
Still love your ...( 6 months ago by MirroringTruth)
Still love your work, and really it's a small thing. I'm just very on guard to never give a Muslims the opportunity to say: "See? Even he says we believe in the same god(I lower case this because it's a Muslims statement)." A better statement would have been "Wile I believe it is the "I am", and Shabir believes it is Allah that was the creator, and has spoken...."
It's a small point. Hence why I said I only threw up a little......lol
Well, if one were ...( 6 months ago by Jpangyarihan)
Well, if one were to compare Dr. White, Shabir Ally, and Dan Barker, would it not be appropriate for Dr. White to say that "we both" (Dr. White and Shabir) are theists and Dan is not?
I'm sorry you don't ...( 6 months ago by DrOakley1689)
I'm sorry you don't get it, Mirror. I did not say Allah is my Creator, either. I said both Shabir and I believe we are created beings. There is no logical connection to your conclusion, and I can't possibly see how you would think it would accurately represent what I said in the context I said it. It's just a mistake on your part.
I don't care what ...( 6 months ago by DrOakley1689)
I don't care what Muslims would say in such a context: my meaning was clear, and any assertion otherwise is clearly either based upon ignorance, muddled thinking, or dishonesty. I will continue to treat others fairly as I listen to them, even though it is pretty obvious the favor is very rarely returned to me. :-)
The term "Allah" ...( 6 months ago by klockheed)
The term "Allah" simply means "God" in Arabic, it is therefore not wrong to say "We both believe that God is our creator". Dr White in no way suggested that the Muslim god and the God of the Bible are one and the same. If one compares these words to the rest of his writing and discussion, the truth is evident. Perhaps instead of demanding he said something, ask what he meant by it?
Thank you Dr. White ...( 4 months ago by CBALLEN)
Thank you Dr. White for all your excellent scholarship.You are truly a blessing to Christians,as well as unbelievers, by uncovering the lies of Muhammad and his minions.
Thank you Dr. White ...( 4 months ago by CBALLEN)
Thank you Dr. White for all your excellent scholarship.You are truly a blessing to Christians,as well as unbelievers, by uncovering the lies of Muhammad and his minions.
we should hear the ...( 4 months ago by benadil)
we should hear the other party as well why you post only one part speaking
this is not fair
Why don't you BUY ...( 4 months ago by Jpangyarihan)
Why don't you BUY the debate.
A sermon falsely ...( 3 months ago by sbpinc)
A sermon falsely titled and posted as a debate? Seems more like a typical fear-based Christian deception.
Why would any honest fellow man and woman, Christian or non-Christian monetarily support such dishonest act or ministry by buying?
I didn't hear any ...( 3 months ago by sbpinc)
I didn't hear any biblical scholarship by the way... no cross-cultural, linguistic, historical, archeological, and political references. It's a sermon based on the biblical verses.
for the one who ...( 3 months ago by benadil)
for the one who asked me why i d'ont buy the debate this is not the issue my point is showing the view of one party and disregarding the response of the other party is first unfair second it is a deception
his is not the ...( 3 months ago by benadil)
his is not the issue my point is showing the view of one party and disregarding the response of the other party is first unfair second it is deceiving third it is biased
Um, OK? Why do you ...( 3 months ago by Jpangyarihan)
Um, OK? Why do you presume that because the other part of the debate was not posted, that the poster was being deceitful and somehow "disregarding the response of the other party"? If you had looked on his site, you would have found the mp3 (and DVD I believe) for purchase. And if you had known that, you would have NOT presumed that Dr. White was, by an ulterior motive, being deceitful.
Ugh. *shakes head* ...( 3 months ago by Jpangyarihan)
Ugh. *shakes head* This is NOT a sermon. It's an opening statement. Do you know what an opening statement is? I find it funny that you want to talk about honesty. I HONESTLY have heard this debate (note that I said DEBATE, not Church Sermon) in its entirety. Have you?
Why would anyone ...( 3 months ago by sbpinc)
Why would anyone have an interest in checking out any related links for more emotional and intellectual dishonesty or could have heard of the "debate" [witnessed by you] if there were none but a three-part "opening statement" from one side disguised (mistitled) as a debate?
Whether a "debate" did or did not honestly take place aside, where was the "opening statement" from the other side in this "debate" by your scholastic and ethical standards?
never seen a one ...( 3 months ago by benadil)
never seen a one side in a debate or maybe im wrong the title is deceiving it says debate there is not any it favors one point of view just the word debate has to be removed i checked in the site yes it is for sale and this youtube post is promoting the DVD for free i believe that this post has no value at all and the title should be changed people will be disappointed expecting there is a debate while it is not
it is just a free ...( 3 months ago by benadil)
it is just a free advertisement for the debater his site and his DVD sorry i dont see any real value in this post there are more interesting real debates by the way in youtube and for free check shabir ally debate Ahmad deedat zakir naik and maybe others by the way i said debates so people you will see a debate i mean 2 parties hahahahahahahahhaha
Because of the ...( 3 months ago by sbpinc)
Because of the consistent observable pattern of deceptive practices as demonstrated here by presenting a nine-part opening statement as a crucifixion debate without the inclusion of an opening statement from the opposing side (or either changing the debate video title or having a clear descriptive statement of the exclusion) and by the operation of a for-profit business under a non-profit business model and company name (inconsistent with), I would question the quality and integrity of [cont.]
Array( 3 months ago by sbpinc)
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the marketed product and thus for religious, ethical, and business reasons, I would be unable purchase products or do business with a company with questionable integrity. Moreover, I heard neither historical, cultural, social-political, linguistic critical analysis nor citations of credible historical and archeological evidence about Jesus' crucifixion (and resurrection) after listening to all nine parts of the opening statement patiently and objectively, to have a sense of [cont.]
Array( 3 months ago by sbpinc)
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the educational value of any edited or marketed "debate" and event to be inspired to want or need to buy anything. Equitable inclusion of the complete opening statement from Shabir Ally in the same event, however, may make a difference, where at least the deceptions of the speaker and his business would be less apparent or and the integrity questioned in the first place.
good man sbpinc i ...( 3 months ago by benadil)
good man sbpinc i do agree with you 100%
benadil, the title ...( 3 months ago by newp05)
benadil, the title says "The Crucifixion Debate: OPENING." I guess you just decided to ignore the rest of the title. It's not deception. It's just posting a portion of the debate. It's not promoting the DVD for free. And if people come here disappointed, well, they wouldn't be if they knew how to check the website, so they can PURCHASE THE DVD. Admit it; you and sbpinc have judged Dr. White's role in the debate before you even heard it fully. To be disingenuous is good, I guess, if for Islam ;-)
Why would any honest fellow man and woman, Christian or non-Christian monetarily support such dishonest act or ministry by buying?
Whether a "debate" did or did not honestly take place aside, where was the "opening statement" from the other side in this "debate" by your scholastic and ethical standards?
the marketed product and thus for religious, ethical, and business reasons, I would be unable purchase products or do business with a company with questionable integrity. Moreover, I heard neither historical, cultural, social-political, linguistic critical analysis nor citations of credible historical and archeological evidence about Jesus' crucifixion (and resurrection) after listening to all nine parts of the opening statement patiently and objectively, to have a sense of [cont.]
the educational value of any edited or marketed "debate" and event to be inspired to want or need to buy anything. Equitable inclusion of the complete opening statement from Shabir Ally in the same event, however, may make a difference, where at least the deceptions of the speaker and his business would be less apparent or and the integrity questioned in the first place.