excellent video hope to see more like this, one question where'd you get he idea/inspiration for soemthing like this?
simple yet very ...( 5 months ago by shadowsofdream)
simple yet very important...thanks for sharing
Sounds a little ...( 4 months ago by fatamorgana1989)
Sounds a little more like an ideology...iono
brilliant! ...( 3 months ago by 1keryl)
brilliant! brilliant fuckin video!
Good video. And as ...( 3 months ago by adjohnson916)
Good video. And as an abstract system, these principles would make for a better world. However, this notion of freedom fails to acknowledge the existence of implicit forces. In our finite world, resources and services may either be of limited availability or accessibility. Though individuals may be legally free, things like poverty, disease, etc. might inhibit true freedom. It is only moral then that any excesses sometimes be redistributed so that a reasonable freedom is maintained for all.
and You beleve in ...( 3 months ago by pizdekator)
and You beleve in haven?
I DO believe in ...( 3 months ago by fatamorgana1989)
I DO believe in HEAVEN if that's what you were trying to say. I choose to not be ignorant in only believing in what I see.
I TOTALLY agree ...( 3 months ago by fatamorgana1989)
I TOTALLY agree with you on that one!
Actually I was ...( 3 months ago by adjohnson916)
Actually I was talking about taxation as a means of wealth distribution to ensure that all people have access to services and material goods. This video seems to suggest that taxation is immoral because of personal property rights. Perhaps, but what's more immoral is that some have and some do not. When people are deprived their rights to being cared about by their community, like without welfare or health care, a system of raising money for community services is sometimes morally necessary.
pizdekator/ ...( 3 months ago by adjohnson916)
pizdekator/fatamorgana:
No "heaven" if that's what you meant...I am an atheist and a secular humanist though, which means I do believe in morality and compassion. If you meant "haven" as in a paradise of a more earthly nature, like some sort of "welfare haven", then I hope you didn't mean that as a sarcastic stab at liberal politics. But yes, though I sometimes doubt the benignity human nature, I do believe we could make a better world with more liberal policies...community, equality, and peace.
adjohnson916, I am ...( 3 months ago by fatamorgana1989)
adjohnson916, I am a believer in Jesus Christ and I also believe in morality and compassion. We just have to face the facts, we are imperfect by nature and the only way we can be perfected is through the Blood of Jesus. He is the epitome of morality and compassion given the fact that He gave His whole life for people's sins of this world.
I guess I'm happy ...( 3 months ago by adjohnson916)
I guess I'm happy that you've found such purpose in your life, and I'm not going to put you down for your faith, but personally I find plenty of meaning without any religion, no less Christianity. Sure Jesus was great moral character, whether real or fictional, and I certainly would respect him and those that honor him for that. I just find it somewhat irrelevant to our conversation, but if it means that much to youso as to influence your political and philosophical beliefs then thats just fine.
Yes, it's odd how ...( 3 months ago by fatamorgana1989)
Yes, it's odd how the original conversation morphed into a different topic and all from the misunderstanding of the word "haven" haha...it's my fault. By the way, I am not religious.
Hum... As you can ...( 2 months ago by JordiComunist)
Hum... As you can see in my nick name, i'm a communist (the good kind :P). I understand this "liberty" just like "anarchy". As a communist, I agree with most of the values on this video, but I dont agree with the property as; time, energy & talent. as human beings, not everybody have got as much talent, energy and also time... What would a retard produce by itself? Mi IQ is 147, does that mean that i deserve more property than a 75 IQ guy? That's unfair... Apply this for time and energy...
So, well... ...( 2 months ago by JordiComunist)
So, well... Communism should lead to some kind of "liberty/anarchism". But in fact, the material goods are limitated. That means that everybody should have limitated goods too. How can we manage and distribute goods in equal parts without "stealing"?
I guess i wont have any replies soon, as the lastest comments are 2 weeks old.
Excuse my bad english and spelling, but i think you got my point.
Good video.
My opinion is that ...( 1 month ago by pizdekator)
My opinion is that haven was made up so masses would wait for it in slavery instead of making it NOW.
F**k whoever ...( 1 month ago by adjohnson916)
F**k whoever deleted my first comments.
In my opinion the ...( 3 weeks ago by Eenderwat)
In my opinion the state shoud protect the life, 'freedom' (aslong its good for them) and property. Democraticly this can not be done. And communism = stealing in my opinion.
And lets face it... The world isn't fair, people shoud face that.
I liked it. Posting ...( 3 weeks ago by noobenstein)
I liked it. Posting a link to this vid on my forum :)
GIVE ME LIBERTY OR ...( 2 days ago by flipflop1234567890)
GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH
Ron Paul 2008!
communism can never ...( 2 days ago by flipflop1234567890)
communism can never work jordicomunist, utopian society is fiction, as long as we have scarcity there will be no equity. in communism a small ruling elite decide whats best for many, there is no equity there. socialism is a realistic form of government, but communism in the visionary sense is currently impossible.
JordiComunist: 1. ...( 19 hours ago by zardozcs)
JordiComunist: 1. It's not clear what you mean by the material goods are limited and that means that everybody should have limited goods too. This is the case because our life is finite. We will all die and we don't know when. We can only produce as many goods as we can in our lifetime. Why do you want to manage and distribute goods in equal parts? Distribution of goods is a service. Those people who want to provide that service are free to do so. They require property (trucks, trains)...
The music is very ...( 19 hours ago by zardozcs)
The music is very good. What is it?
JordiComunist: 3 ...( 19 hours ago by zardozcs)
JordiComunist: 3 Those who cannot produce must support themself from saved wealth or by charity. This is a fact of life. Life is not fair. All men are not created equally. But they should all be equal under the law. What nature curses us with should not be magnified by man. Socialism turns charity into a robin hood scheme of stealing from every productive person to support the unproductive. It turns charity into theft. Free men are naturally generous and will give.
And lets face it... The world isn't fair, people shoud face that.