You've probably never heard of him because he was SO original and unique. Look him up. Compared to Nyiregyhazi, this is as polite as the playing of a college student.
I've heard some unusual things from Pogorelich, but quite this performance is very routine (not that it's a bad performance). If you disagree, please explain in what manner you feel this performance goes against the grain. I really don't see any rules being broken here (as the person I initially r esponded to had suggested).
And perhaps other ...( 4 months ago by cziffra1980)
And perhaps other people could do the same (rather than giving my comments the thumbs down)- please tell me WHAT rules this supposed maverick is breaking in this performance if you disagree with me?
Is it really ...( 4 months ago by Perkeno)
Is it really necessary to break the rules to be an original artist? or to give a great performance? Come on, you must be kidding.
One can be original simply by having unique ideas, and realizing them on the instrument. Or by presenting the work in a different light than what we are used to. No need to break anything.
I didn't say that. ...( 4 months ago by cziffra1980)
I didn't say that. I just said that this performance does NOT demonstrate a man who breaks any rules. It's as straight as a die.
Sure it's a very decent performance, but let's not big it up under claims that it anything other than conventional.
The thing about this performance is that it shows that Pogorelich's roots were normal. He wasn't born to play the insane way he plays now. I suspect his new style is synthetic. The film of Nyiregyhazi in 1928 shows that he ALWAYS played that way.
As you said earlier ...( 4 months ago by cziffra1980)
As you said earlier
'You're completely off track, Pogo is the furthest thing from a "traditionally trained performer".'
Well, this performance suggests that he WAS trained extremely traditionally. It is rhythmically very straight with minimal rubato and hands solidly together- very standard.
It brings up the questi on as to whether he natural evolved to his (now) maverick style by natural artistic evolution, or whether he decided to force something that wasn't born within him.
Yes, he was trained ...( 4 months ago by Perkeno)
Yes, he was trained rigorously. And he knows tradition. But that doesn't prevent him from being original.
You should listen to him in other works. This is a Polonaise after all, where rhythm and precision are paramount. What about some of the Beet. sonatas, so "weird" and yet captivating. Or the Rach 2 that he plays 'ten' minutes longer than everyone else? Or some of the stuff from the Chopin competit ion, right here on Youtube? I'd say it's always been his style.
Sure, but I think ...( 4 months ago by cziffra1980)
Sure, but I think his Rach 2 shows someone making an effort to be original, not playing out of nature. It seems forced. Also, I'm really not keen on his Chopin 2nd sonata. He misses the sighing slurs in the first movement. That's just being sloppy, not being individual.
Don't get me wrong, I like some of Pogorelich's playing a lot but if this guy exemplifies the 'maverick' it shows what a sad state pianism has reached. There used to be loads of pianists who were 100 times more interesting.
*promise to self* ...( 4 months ago by severelyaddictedgal)
*promise to self* i'm going to play like that too!!! just wait and see!
Don't even joke ...( 3 months ago by Lov3s2Spooge)
Don't even joke about that
im a big fan of ...( 3 months ago by 88alan8800)
im a big fan of pogorelich's interpretations. i dont know if it is the way he plays or just the recording but i found the MT a bit thick. bravO!
So incredibly heavy ...( 3 months ago by langlois1)
So incredibly heavy....!!!
I really like his ...( 2 months ago by chitsevermag301)
I really like his Chopin.
Bangy everyting ...( 2 months ago by galapz)
Bangy everyting here sounds alike rough and no phrase.
that's his own ...( 2 months ago by lst9162)
that's his own interpretion of this lovely piece, which works very well!!!
Let`s hear the ...( 2 months ago by re6356)
Let`s hear the people who criticise this performance play it.
I always think of ...( 2 months ago by PhillipLWilcher)
I always think of Pogorelich as a composer's pianist. He plays music from the inside out as if he is the very page upon which the notes are printed. He's that extraordinary. This is such a powerful work from the pen of the frail Chopin and Pogorelich is no less powerful. He is mentally behind everything he does and I adore it! Bravo, bravo, bravo!
Great performance. ...( 2 months ago by mavadd88)
Great performance. the way he moves his mouth when he plays, does he have something hes sucking on, like a piece of candy? or is that just the way he plays?
OMG, at 2:01 it ...( 1 month ago by jannokas85)
OMG, at 2:01 it sounds as though there are strings accompanying his playing? Are there? Or is there some kind of magic involved?
rich tone?( 1 month ago by achilless)
rich tone?
it's a reflex. Many ...( 1 month ago by achilless)
it's a reflex. Many pianists have different little things they do when playing
Well, the piano is ...( 1 month ago by Lov3s2Spooge)
Well, the piano is technically a string instrument... :)
i rather prefer his ...( 1 month ago by BugzLooney)
i rather prefer his pedal work indeed...
oh God~ IVO is the ...( 1 month ago by SHINYamAHA21)
oh God~ IVO is the best!! The best hands in the world.
I meant 1951 ...( 1 month ago by nico22059)
I meant 1951 recording, not 1944...It's here on youtube, if you want to take a look
I've heard some unusual things from Pogorelich, but quite this performance is very routine (not that it's a bad performance). If you disagree, please explain in what manner you feel this performance goes against the grain. I really don't see any rules being broken here (as the person I initially r
esponded to had suggested).
One can be original simply by having unique ideas, and realizing them on the instrument. Or by presenting the work in a different light than what we are used to. No need to break anything.
Sure it's a very decent performance, but let's not big it up under claims that it anything other than conventional. The thing about this performance is that it shows that Pogorelich's roots were normal. He wasn't born to play the insane way he plays now. I suspect his new style is synthetic. The
film of Nyiregyhazi in 1928 shows that he ALWAYS played that way.
'You're completely off track, Pogo is the furthest thing from a "traditionally trained performer".' Well, this performance suggests that he WAS trained extremely traditionally. It is rhythmically very straight with minimal rubato and hands solidly together- very standard. It brings up the questi
on as to whether he natural evolved to his (now) maverick style by natural artistic evolution, or whether he decided to force something that wasn't born within him.
You should listen to him in other works. This is a Polonaise after all, where rhythm and precision are paramount. What about some of the Beet. sonatas, so "weird" and yet captivating. Or the Rach 2 that he plays 'ten' minutes longer than everyone else? Or some of the stuff from the Chopin competit
ion, right here on Youtube? I'd say it's always been his style.
Don't get me wrong, I like some of Pogorelich's playing a lot but if this guy exemplifies the 'maverick' it shows what a sad state pianism has reached. There used to be loads of pianists who were 100 times more interesting.