Tyler Drumheller is ...( 2 months ago by spectre007)
Tyler Drumheller is the former chief of the CIA covert operations in Europe, who has said that the CIA had credible sources discounting some weapons of mass destruction claims before the 2003 Invasion of Iraq. He received and discounted documents central to the Niger yellowcake forgery prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. He has also stated that senior White House officials dismissed intelligence information from his agency which reported Saddam Hussein had no WMD program.
According to ...( 2 months ago by spectre007)
According to Drumheller, the CIA, with the help of a friendly intelligence service, recruited Iraqi Foreign Minister Naji Sabri in Europe during the late summer of 2002. [1] Sabri told the CIA in September that Saddam had no major active weapons of mass destruction programs; they had no fissile material and biological weapons were almost non-existent, although he claimed that there were chemical weapons.
Sept. 18, Tenet ...( 2 months ago by spectre007)
Sept. 18, Tenet briefed Bush on Sabri. "Tenet told me he briefed the president personally," said one of the former CIA officers. According to Tenet, Bush's response was to call the information "the same old thing." Bush insisted it was simply what Saddam wanted him to think. "The president had no interest in the intelligence," said the CIA officer. The other officer said, "Bush didn't give a fuck about the intelligence. He had his mind made up."
"Blix is interested ...( 2 months ago by spectre007)
"Blix is interested in endless inspections, and no war, under any circumstances."
This is a Ad hominem circumstantial fallacy.
Blix still found that Iraq had no WMD before the war began. Scott Ritter & El Baradei were saying the samething. The ISG and Duelfer confirmed what they were saying before the war.
Tenet told a closed ...( 2 months ago by Fightflipnfold)
Tenet told a closed meeting of the Senate intell committee in July 2006 that Drumheller "mischaracterized [Sabri's] information." Going after Drumheller by name, Tenet said he "never expressed to him, as the former Chief/EUR has claimed publicly, that the source's information meant Iraq did not have WMD programs."
Tenet said that Sabri had said Iraq was stockpiling cw and that equipment to produce insecticides, under the oil-for-food program, had been diverted to covert cw production.
Drumheller is a ...( 2 months ago by Fightflipnfold)
Drumheller is a political partisan who had actively worked to undermine the Administration. (Drumheller and his wife were working for the campaign of John Kerry in 2004, btw). He claimed to have recruited the Iraqi foreign minister, but Sabri was in fact a French source. His public statements in the media attracted the attention of colleagues and Senators on the Select Committee on Intelligence. They properly rebuked him for spinning lies and distortions.
The committee ...( 2 months ago by Fightflipnfold)
The committee reviewed the original source reports and other operational documents relating to the foreign minister, and called back CIA officers for questioning who were directly involved in the case. "We can say that there is not a single document related to this case which indicates that the source [Sabri] said Iraq had no WMD programs. On the contrary, all of the information about this case so far indicates that the information from this source was that Iraq DID have WMD programs.
Both the operations ...( 2 months ago by Fightflipnfold)
Both the operations cable and the intelligence report prepared for high-level policymakers said that while Saddam Hussein did not have a nuclear weapon, 'he was aggressively and covertly developing such a weapon.' Both documents said 'Iraq was producing and stockpiling chemical weapons' and they both said Iraq's weapon of last resort was mobile launced chemical weapons, which would be fired at enemy forces and Israel."
Rather than ...( 2 months ago by Fightflipnfold)
Rather than contradict the 2002 NIE, the information from Sabri was totally consistent with it. The only program not described as fully active [by Sabri] was the biological weapons program, which Sabri described as 'amateur',"
Re: Report of the ...( 2 months ago by Fightflipnfold)
Re: Report of the Select Committee on Intelligence on Postwar Findings about Iraq's WMD Programs and Links to Terrorism and How They Compare with Prewar Assessments, with Additional Views, pg 141-144
"The Committee was ...( 2 months ago by Fightflipnfold)
"The Committee was aware of this source's WMD reporting [Sabri] during the first phase of the Committee review, the U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Assessments on Iraq, but began exploring this issue again as a result of press reports, in particular a story on 60 Minutes, "A Spy Speaks Out," which seemed to contradict the information available to the Committee."
"The 60 Minutes ...( 2 months ago by Fightflipnfold)
"The 60 Minutes story focused on the account of the former Chief of CIA's Europe Division (Chief/EUR) [i.e., Drumheller] who claimed that the source described above "told us that [Iraq] had no active weapons of mass destruction program." This story was followed by numerous other media appearances by the former Chief/EUR such as, CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight and Anderson Cooper 360 Degrees, and MSNBC's Hardball, in which he claimed that the source said Iraq had no WMD programs."
"Concerned that ...( 2 months ago by Fightflipnfold)
"Concerned that something may have been missed in our first Iraq review, the Committee began to request additional information from the Intelligence Community and to question current and former CIA officers who were involved in this issue. As noted above, the Committee has not completed this inquiry, but we have seen the operational documentation pertaining to this case."
"We can say that ...( 2 months ago by Fightflipnfold)
"We can say that there is not a single document related to this case which indicates that the source said Iraq had no WMD programs. On the contrary, all of the information about this case so far indicates that the information from this source was that Iraq did have WMD programs."
Already covered, ...( 2 months ago by Fightflipnfold)
Already covered, but to reiterate: Re: Report of the Select Committee on Intelligence on Postwar Findings about Iraq's WMD Programs and Links to Terrorism and How They Compare with Prewar Assessments, with Additional Views, pg 141-144:
"The former ...( 2 months ago by Fightflipnfold)
"The former Director of Central Intelligence testified before the Committee in July 2006 that the former Chief/EUR "has mischaracterized [the source's] information" and said the former Chief/EUR never expressed a view to him, as the former Chief/EUR has claimed publicly, that the source's information meant Iraq did not have WMD programs. The Committee is still exploring why the former Chief/EUR's public remarks differ so markedly from the documentation."
Drumheller is ...( 2 months ago by Fightflipnfold)
Drumheller is discredited by the Report of the Select Committee on Intelligence on Postwar Findings about Iraq's WMD Programs and Links to Terrorism and How They Compare with Prewar Assessments, with Additional Views, pg 141-144
Discredited by ...( 2 months ago by Fightflipnfold)
Discredited by Report of the Select Committee on Intelligence on Postwar Findings about Iraq's WMD Programs and Links to Terrorism and How They Compare with Prewar Assessments, with Additional Views, pg 141-144.
The Administration didn't base the 16 words in the SotU 2003 address on the forged documents.
El Baradei is the ...( 2 months ago by Fightflipnfold)
El Baradei is the same IAEA chief who stunned fellow UN inspectors in spring of '91 by saying he was sure that Iraq had no clandestine nuclear weapons program and was hiding nothing from them. "They swore this to me as brother Arabs" he insisted.
Blix' Unresolved Disarmament Issues report kind of takes issues with Blix' conclusions, which is to avert war and continue on with meaningless cat-and-mouse inspections. The UN inspectors aren't detectives.
The alleged import ...( 2 months ago by Fightflipnfold)
The alleged import of uranium from Niger was one of the items the CIA had briefed Powell on in Feb 2003 when he was preparing his UN address. Deputy Director John McLaughlin told him "there were doubts about the Niger report", so he cut it from his presentation. ElBaradei was attempting to pull one over on Powell.
Again, Bush's 2003 SotU was based upon British Intell and not the forged documents. The forged info on Niger was designed to hurt Administration credibility, not help it.
Nice spin. It was ...( 2 months ago by spectre007)
Nice spin. It was all a plot to discredit Bush not an attempt by the Administration to manufacture a case for war. Why didn't Bush check his facts? Could it be because he want war no matter what?
Enough of this Red Herring of yours. What it all boils down to is that Bush was told by numerous sources that Iraq had no WMD. He chose not to listen. The voices that said Iraq had no WMD are the ones that turned out to be right. The Downing Street Memo basically backs this.
Bush lied to go to wa r
Another issue that ...( 2 months ago by spectre007)
Another issue that Bush turned out to be totally wrong about was the assertion that 600POWS were alive in Iraq and that an American Navy pilot was among them. Turns out that none of this claim was true either.
Discredited? Hardly.( 2 months ago by spectre007)
Discredited? Hardly.
You seem to love ...( 2 months ago by spectre007)
You seem to love the fallacy of ad hominem circumstantial. It is completely irrelevant if Drumheller worked on the Kerry campaign. It does not make what he said false. It is completely irrelevent as well if Sabri was a "French Source". What did he lie about Saddams stockpiles of WMD?
This is a Ad hominem circumstantial fallacy.
Blix still found that Iraq had no WMD before the war began. Scott Ritter & El Baradei were saying the samething. The ISG and Duelfer confirmed what they were saying before the war.
Tenet said that Sabri had said Iraq was stockpiling cw and that equipment to produce insecticides, under the oil-for-food program, had been diverted to covert cw production.
Enough of this Red Herring of yours. What it all boils down to is that Bush was told by numerous sources that Iraq had no WMD. He chose not to listen. The voices that said Iraq had no WMD are the ones that turned out to be right. The Downing Street Memo basically backs this. Bush lied to go to wa
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