Kent State Massacre

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May 4th 1970, Kent State University: National Guard killed 4 students and wounded 9. Some of them who did not take part in any action at a 100 yds range.
Start and end sequence of a 1 hr documentary special by Germany's WDR TV. Coverage originating from major U.S. networks. TV Teams of NBC, ABC and CBS had been present. Where has their material gone?

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blagg, the only ... ( 1 month ago by Neurotoxin65)

blagg, the only douche bag faggot I see here is YOU. Rot in Hell, scumbag!

let me send you a ... ( 4 weeks ago by ashotinthedark10)

let me send you a preemtive "fuck you" for being a self-righteous, pompous asshole. and, all teachers from any school want is to get their tenure. the school system is so fucked, everywhere.

It makes me sick to ... ( 3 weeks ago by einsteinian)

It makes me sick to think about this. People this is just a glimpse of what is inevitably going to happen soon enough. Just because "thats how the world works" doesnt make it right. Unless all four of those people all had a gun and were possibly going to use it, than they should be alive today. Even if they did throw stones, there is no person who should be killed for it. Besides that who made the NG judge/jury/EXECUTIONER!? The murderers/police will always be acquitted of WRONGDOING.

I shudder to think ... ( 3 weeks ago by einsteinian)

I shudder to think what would have happened had the citizens been armed. I assure you if ANYONE kills someone I care about I will surely kill them regardless of status or clothing. This was a peaceable demonstration, its the idiots in riot gear with teargas and machine guns you have to worry about, not the people asking for peace.....

Lastly. as to the ... ( 3 weeks ago by einsteinian)

Lastly. as to the word WRONGDOING. God I hate that word, its the one police/National Guard/military/congress/presidents all use to make themselves seem innocent. I personally have seen disturbing video of a cop beating a child unconscious, (no wrongdoing), another video of a 16 year old drive thru worker being maced and wrestled for no reason, again (no wrongdoing, but hmm she was paid 60,000?) Another video of a cop shooting a man in the back as he ran from a traffic ticket. Judge/Jury/Die!

"Peaceful ... ( 3 weeks ago by ChrJahnsen)

"Peaceful demonstration"? I'm sorry, but it wasn't. They had caused trouble for 4 days and deliberately set fire to a university building. When firefighters arrived, they were assaulted and the "peaceful demonstrators" cut their fire-hoses to ensure that the building would burn down. They sure didn't deserve to get shot, we agree on that, but they were neither "peaceful" nor legal demonstrators. They were violent and anarcistic, and that is certainly the primary reason why it ended like this.

Well, Mr. Wise Guy, ... ( 3 weeks ago by tollhans)

Well, Mr. Wise Guy, the building set on fire was not a university building, it was a stronghold of The U.S. Army on the campus, and there had been no one inside.
And to the victims: we know they meant no harm to the NG - they had been too far away and on the way to their classes.
It seems to be an American heritage that someone has to pay for everything regardless of his or her persnal responsibility. EINSTEINIAN demands the same, but from the other side.

"Mr. Wise Guy". Wow ... ( 3 weeks ago by ChrJahnsen)

"Mr. Wise Guy". Wow, wit! Very clever. So let us call it a "campus building" by all means instead of "university". However, an ROTC building can hardly be called a "stronghold", and it still doesn't change the fact that these students were far from "peaceful". Had I been their age at that time, I would have been against young soldiers dying in Vietnam too, but I definitely would NOT take part in vandalism, arson, attacking firefighters or throwing rocks at law enforcement!

Well, setting a ... ( 3 weeks ago by tollhans)

Well, setting a building on fire is illegal, but what do you call shooting on students going to their classes with their books in their hands?
The ROTC is and has been an important institution for the recruitment of officers esp. in wartime. And taking part in the program is one of the few chances for the hopeless people to get a better education. This explains the students' anger. BTW I have learnt they stored a large amount of guns ins
ide. None was used to shoot at law enforcement (haha!)

I think almost ... ( 3 weeks ago by ChrJahnsen)

I think almost everybody agrees that the shootings were very unfortunate. However, a lot of things have never been settled, such as why the soldiers fired on the crowd at the parking lot when another group were closer by. Maybe it's as simple as a group of young soldiers under pressure. All it takes is for one scared guy to yell: "Open fire!" or words to that effect, regrettable as it may be. I will not rule out foul play, but I feel more evidence is needed to draw any such conclusion.

You are aware ... ( 3 weeks ago by tollhans)

You are aware discussion is not far from the decision "first or second degree murder"?
Your analysis is correct, but by disregarding the social background of the Nixon era one will unavoidably stick to the opinion the whole issue has been a very sad form of "collateral damage". In fact, those simple minds of the NG eagerly adapted the common insult "student bums" (used by a lot of
right wing politicians) and combined it with their hatred to a class presumed to be privileged.

you say they were ... ( 3 weeks ago by Brmcdonald15)

you say they were violent and anarchistic like its a bad thing, they did kill anyone they just raped and destroyed the campus like they felt the goverment was raping and killing there generation

And as long as ... ( 3 weeks ago by ChrJahnsen)

And as long as there are people around who think like this, confrontations like these will happen. When you adopt to the philosophy of "flower child" or "pacifist" one day, and then throw rocks at police and set fire to things the next, you are a joke.
I'm not saying that Vietnam was a good thing or that the shootings should have happened. What I am saying, however, is that most hippies I've ever known were (and still are) laughable hypocrites, who only obtained one thing: getting arrested.

Liberty! Democracy! ... ( 2 weeks ago by 1212safsdf)

Liberty! Democracy! Civil Rights! It seems America is also full of brutal commies, as one might say.

its sad that shit ... ( 2 weeks ago by schnabby12)

its sad that shit like this does not have more view

war does have a ... ( 2 weeks ago by jessicapretty10)

war does have a cause if you people who make comments about the war dont know shit speak to a veteran thank a veteran because with out all of them fighting decades ago none of us would have the freedosm we have today get your head out of your asses and stand for something right like supporting the veterans who fight for you everyday better yet enlist and fight for yourselfs asswipe s

jessica, my wife ... ( 1 week ago by yimmye1)

jessica, my wife and i took in a young man with no parents to speak of... he is now a proud soldier.. we are very proud of him...nowyou can be proud of all the military personnel but still not agree with situation they are put in....

i did a report on ... ( 1 week ago by Mother0Lamb)

i did a report on this and it just pisses me off. The kids who were shot were not the kids the burned down the ROTC building and the were murdered for no reason. 2 of the 4 were not even protesting. When this went to court the nat gaurd was not found guilty and they got off the hook. GOD DAMN NIXON

to the uneducated ... ( 1 week ago by Peacenik1969)

to the uneducated masses, check your history...the shootings came after several days of uncontrolled violence from so-called "protesters" and other vagrants. rock throwing, property damage, assault, arson and a most unpeaceful assembly, which is not a constitutional right. those soldiers were getting battered by the "peaceniks" with rocks and bottles, ironic isn't it? violent protest to end violence! Ironic? or hypocritical?

and oh yes, due to ... ( 1 week ago by Peacenik1969)

and oh yes, due to our withdrawal, vietnam came under the Khmer Rouge, "remembered mainly for the deaths of an estimated 1.5 million people or 1/5 of the country's total population (estimates range from 850,000 to two million) under its regime, through execution, starvation and forced labor." - Wikipedia way to go peacniks! communism is the best! keep buying china and watch the olypmics and forget the millions censored and tortured and imprisoned and executed!

protest the ... ( 1 week ago by Peacenik1969)

protest the imprisonment of real baby killers who think nothing of exploding a bomb to kill innocent women and children and ignore the fact that you, through your support of oil-based and cheap foreign made products are to blame for this war and the new super power that is china! want to know real facism? try going to beijing with your anti-government establishment crap! I dare you! but you won't, cowards!

伟大的民主美国 ( 2 days ago by xmxrzhang)

伟大的民主美国

But friend that is ... ( 1 day ago by dshct)

But friend that is not as easy as just blaming the soliders and it does not fit the politics of the media.

LOL right! We're to ... ( 17 hours ago by Xproletariatx)

LOL right! We're to blame for the war in Iraq simply because I need to drive a car to get to work? As if Bush is in Iraq just to power a couple of SUV's at home. That notion is almost as ridiculous as your name.

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